new contribution - production-worthy in-memory backend with no external dependencies
Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab6b3038ea472) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db624d72ba0ff33) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee7928c0d6828cI would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <dk.g...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab6b3038ea472) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db624d72ba0ff33) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee7928c0d6828cI would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Thanks, Dmitry. Please allow us some time for the review. Quick question, there are bunch of TODO in the PR, do you plan to address it soon or is it currently trade-off between time and initial implementation for the solution?Thanks,Henry--On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <dk.g...@...> wrote:Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <dk.g...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab6b3038ea472) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db624d72ba0ff33) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee7928c0d6828cI would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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On Thursday, 28 March 2019 20:17:22 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:
Hi Henry,Thanks for coming back on this.I had a quick look at the todos right now, and I think they basically can all be removed - which I will do early next week when I come back from travelling.They mostly were some optimisation/efficiency ideas left there during development, to explore later based on profiling on real data, and proved to be irrelevant so far (after a few years of production use). They were left in the internal codebase as potentially useful leads for the future, but I agree that they are confusing in this context and I should have removed them during the initial cleanup for this contribution.Implementing them at this point would just add complexity to the code without measurable benefits, unless someone comes up with a data set where profiling suggests it will make a difference.Many thanks,DmitryOn Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 18:32 Henry Saputra, <henry....@...> wrote:Thanks, Dmitry. Please allow us some time for the review. Quick question, there are bunch of TODO in the PR, do you plan to address it soon or is it currently trade-off between time and initial implementation for the solution?Thanks,Henry--On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <dk.g...@...> wrote:Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <dk.g...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab 6b3038ea47 2) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db62 4d72ba0ff3 3) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee79 28c0d6828c I would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Just pushed a commit to remove/reclassify all TODOs in the code.--
On Thursday, 28 March 2019 20:17:22 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Henry,Thanks for coming back on this.I had a quick look at the todos right now, and I think they basically can all be removed - which I will do early next week when I come back from travelling.They mostly were some optimisation/efficiency ideas left there during development, to explore later based on profiling on real data, and proved to be irrelevant so far (after a few years of production use). They were left in the internal codebase as potentially useful leads for the future, but I agree that they are confusing in this context and I should have removed them during the initial cleanup for this contribution.Implementing them at this point would just add complexity to the code without measurable benefits, unless someone comes up with a data set where profiling suggests it will make a difference.Many thanks,DmitryOn Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 18:32 Henry Saputra, <henry....@...> wrote:Thanks, Dmitry. Please allow us some time for the review. Quick question, there are bunch of TODO in the PR, do you plan to address it soon or is it currently trade-off between time and initial implementation for the solution?Thanks,Henry--On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <dk.g...@...> wrote:Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <dk.g...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab6b3038ea472) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db624d72ba0ff33) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/1483/commits/a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee7928c0d6828cI would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <chris...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Hi All,
thank you for all the comments so far on the issue, PR and in the dev maillist. Unfortunately I was not able to obtain from these comments a clear understanding of how to proceed with this contribution, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic on it in general. I would really like to get a better understanding of where we stand in general before I proceed to address the cosmetic/style/refactoring comments.
So I have collated a few options based on the feedback so far, and I would like to ask everyone, especially the previous commenters and also preferably active developers/TSC members to look through them and cast their "vote" on the issue page:
https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/issues/1482#issuecomment-536026375
Hopefully the fact that one just has to choose an option will increase participation :), but if you have more to say on the matter than just choose from the options, then by all means please do so.
On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 06:43:16 UTC+1, Henry Saputra wrote:
Thanks, Dmitry.Looks like are already several comments for the PR for the review, could start addressing them to help the review.Thanks,HenryOn Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <d...@...> wrote:Just pushed a commit to remove/reclassify all TODOs in the code.--
On Thursday, 28 March 2019 20:17:22 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Henry,Thanks for coming back on this.I had a quick look at the todos right now, and I think they basically can all be removed - which I will do early next week when I come back from travelling.They mostly were some optimisation/efficiency ideas left there during development, to explore later based on profiling on real data, and proved to be irrelevant so far (after a few years of production use). They were left in the internal codebase as potentially useful leads for the future, but I agree that they are confusing in this context and I should have removed them during the initial cleanup for this contribution.Implementing them at this point would just add complexity to the code without measurable benefits, unless someone comes up with a data set where profiling suggests it will make a difference.Many thanks,DmitryOn Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 18:32 Henry Saputra, <he...@...> wrote:Thanks, Dmitry. Please allow us some time for the review. Quick question, there are bunch of TODO in the PR, do you plan to address it soon or is it currently trade-off between time and initial implementation for the solution?Thanks,Henry--On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <d...@...> wrote:Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <d...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab 6b3038ea47 2) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db62 4d72ba0ff3 3) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee79 28c0d6828c I would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <ch...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Am Freitag, 27. September 2019 19:28:36 UTC+2 schrieb Dmitry Kovalev:
Hi All,
thank you for all the comments so far on the issue, PR and in the dev maillist. Unfortunately I was not able to obtain from these comments a clear understanding of how to proceed with this contribution, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic on it in general. I would really like to get a better understanding of where we stand in general before I proceed to address the cosmetic/style/refactoring comments.
So I have collated a few options based on the feedback so far, and I would like to ask everyone, especially the previous commenters and also preferably active developers/TSC members to look through them and cast their "vote" on the issue page:
https://github.com/JanusGraph/
janusgraph/issues/1482# issuecomment-536026375
Hopefully the fact that one just has to choose an option will increase participation :), but if you have more to say on the matter than just choose from the options, then by all means please do so.
Thank you,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 06:43:16 UTC+1, Henry Saputra wrote:Thanks, Dmitry.Looks like are already several comments for the PR for the review, could start addressing them to help the review.Thanks,HenryOn Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <d...@...> wrote:Just pushed a commit to remove/reclassify all TODOs in the code.--
On Thursday, 28 March 2019 20:17:22 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Henry,Thanks for coming back on this.I had a quick look at the todos right now, and I think they basically can all be removed - which I will do early next week when I come back from travelling.They mostly were some optimisation/efficiency ideas left there during development, to explore later based on profiling on real data, and proved to be irrelevant so far (after a few years of production use). They were left in the internal codebase as potentially useful leads for the future, but I agree that they are confusing in this context and I should have removed them during the initial cleanup for this contribution.Implementing them at this point would just add complexity to the code without measurable benefits, unless someone comes up with a data set where profiling suggests it will make a difference.Many thanks,DmitryOn Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 18:32 Henry Saputra, <he...@...> wrote:Thanks, Dmitry. Please allow us some time for the review. Quick question, there are bunch of TODO in the PR, do you plan to address it soon or is it currently trade-off between time and initial implementation for the solution?Thanks,Henry--On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dmitry Kovalev <d...@...> wrote:Just a gentle reminder - please could anyone spare some time to review?Thank you,Dmitry--On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 01:36 Dmitry Kovalev, <d...@...> wrote:--Hi All,This is done now. Right now the PR consists of 3 commits (will squash later once we have a decision):1) a separate new backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 82467c2e16388741ea87bbd8ee02ab 6b3038ea47 2) same backend refactored as in-place change of existing in-memory backend: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ 07112636a4f753532e23e68cd3db62 4d72ba0ff3 3) a bunch of (completely irrelevant) changes required to resolve "issues" raised by Codacy: https://github.com/JanusGraph/janusgraph/pull/ 1483/commits/ a7554ea766eea8a792eb44d730ee79 28c0d6828c I would be most grateful fora) any opinions/suggestions/approvals or otherwise on the actual design and implementationb) more votes on the matter of separate backend vs changing the existing onec) finally, some indication as to which of the remaining Codacy "issues" need to be actually addressed
Many thanks,Dmitry
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:39:12 UTC, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi Chris,thanks for the reply. Sure, I will refactor the initial commit into an update of the existing backend, and push it as a second commit on the same PR. This should leave both variants easily accessible within the same PR and people can have a look at both and make an informed decision. Hope to find time for this tomorrow.However if you already had some time allocated for the review - I would urge you to go ahead and look at what's there already, because the difference is going to be mostly in package names etc, and only a couple of classes would become changes to existing ones.As for the time to review - sure, I appreciate that it is no one's full-time job and can take a while. At the same time, I would say it's not that big or complex actually, and all that is probably needed from any one reviewer is a couple of hours set aside for it. So I will take this as another opportunity to gently invite other reviewers to have a look as well :)Any questions or anything I can do to make it easier - let me know here or in PM. Happy to do a quick call as well if that helps.Thanks,DmitryOn Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 20:25, Chris Hupman <ch...@...> wrote:I haven't really looked threw the PR much yet, but from your comments I would lean towards updating the existing backend, assuming the test suite doesn't see a performance hit.--Also, thank you for the contribution. You probably already know this, but given the size of the PR I anticipate it'll take a good chunk of time to properly review. As a result I would like to pre-emptively ask you to be patient with the process.Regards,Chris
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-8, Dmitry Kovalev wrote:Hi JanusGraph team,We would like to contribute an improved implementation of in-memory backend for JanusGraph.Background/RationaleThere are many possible applications for both embedded and standalone JanusGraph with a 100% in-memory backend – i.e. cases where the graph can potentially fit within the boundaries of one JVM, is built dynamically and in parallel transactions, and the performance during build-out of the graph and querying it is critical. A quick search in the issues and mailing list seems to confirm that there is general interest in this kind of use case, both for JanusGraph specifically and for an open-source in-memory graph in general (e.g. TinkerGraph may not fit the bill in all cases as it is not transactional etc).However there seems to be a bit of a gap in JanusGraph offering in this space. Current implementation of JanusGraph’s in-memory backend has not changed since Titan times, and is still declared as “for testing only”, “not ready for production use”.ContributionWe have done some analysis a while back which shows that the main obstacle for production use of current in-memory backend is enormous overhead when storing key values (likely a trade-off vs simplicity of implementation for something that was only intended for testing purposes).Quite often the total overhead of wrapping data structures and references is bigger than the actual data being stored.After a series of improvements this overhead was significantly reduced (2x-5x depending on the “shape” of the data stored and the size of individual data entries).The modified version of in-memory backend is successfully used in production, handling up to 70+ concurrent read/write transactions at any one moment, 10+ millions of vertices (of which quite a few have up to 60 properties) and about 3x more edges, within one JVM.More detailed analysis and memory profiling of current vs improved implementation is attached to the corresponding github issue:The initial PR is here:NOTE: the PR currently suggests adding the new backend rather than modifying the existing one, as it seemed cleaner and easier to compare performance within one codebase branch.However, having read recent discussions about adding more backends into main repository vs maintenance costs, I am starting to think that actually modifying the existing in-memory backend could be a better idea.This is because:a) the modifications are fairly straightforward and do not change the general structure of existing backendb) don’t add too much extra code or any external dependenciesc) don’t require any additional documentation or setup instructions, at least initiallyd) all existing (and a few extra) integrity tests pass and using it in place of current version is unlikely to create any issues for current (test-only) usese) the same backend will simply be fit for production use, no new backends to maintainAny thoughts on the contribution as a whole and new backend vs updating the existing one are much appreciated.Many thanks,Dmitry
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Hi--
We should extract the in-memory backend into an extra maven project before merging your PR.
Doing this in a single PR would make it hard to review.I will create an issue for it. Dmitry, if you like to do this before, otherwise I can do this.Greetings,
Jan
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